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Is this one or three children?
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  rmcgowan
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In the baptism record of a person in my ancestry, there are three names listed: Gaspar Antoninus Philippus. My initial thought was that this single person had a first name and two middle names.

The parents are Antonino Lo Piccolo and Antonina Comercio. Look at the last complete entry on the right page:
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But now I am confused, since the index to this Baptismal book has three entries:

Gaspar Lo Piccolo Ant.ni
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Antoninus Lo Piccolo
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Philippus Lo Piccolo
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So, is this really three children from the same family that were baptized at once? Or if it is only one child, then why did they have three index entries?
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 PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:28 pm Reply with quote  
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ONE (1) infant born 'yesterday'

this is very common....children are given multiple names...I've seen one girl baptized with 10 names. The names are each listed separately in the index because the child may use any one of the names on future events where the baptism (or birth) records are referred to for verification.

simple examples: Maria Concetta's marriage may list only Concetta / Francesco Paolo may be known as Paolo.

If there were 3 children there would be 3 separate baptism records.

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"and" between the names
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Thanks for your help. Two more questions:

1) Should I also assume one child even when there is an "and" between the names as is "Giacomo e Graziano" whose parents are Agostino and Maria Rosa Alfano as in the last entry on the left at:


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2) How literal do you interpret "heri" (yesterday)? Does it really mean "the day before today", or the more general "someday before today". I had been interpreting it literally as the day before today, but then I came across the baptism record of Cesar Gaglio on March 19, 1845. "heri/yesterday" would be March 18. It is the last entry on the right:


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But I think the marriage document says he was born on September 15, 1844, which is far earlier than his baptism. Look at the the 3 line down from the top of the left page. (The record starts on the prior page.)

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So, now I doubt using "heri" in the baptism record to identify the birth date.

Thanks for your help.
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1)I think what looks like & is bleedthrough from another page. If I were attempting to extract this image I would think the surname is Graziano. Each baptism is one child, even if it's a twin. In the case of twins there may be a notation "gem" indicating this but the twin would have it's own record.

2) heri means yesterday, the day before the sacrament was administered.

3)I may be misreading the document: the parents on the baptism (image 2) are Cesare Gaglio & Providenza Lo Ra. the parents on image 3 are Francesco Galgio and Rosaria Vitale.

info from my research: I have a Cesare Gaglio married Providenza Lo Re in Terrasini on 6/12/1823. This Cesare is the son of Giuseppe Gaglio & Antonia Saputo.

I need to stock up on tylenol....Smile)

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 PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:21 am Reply with quote  
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Angelina,

I appreciate the tips on interpretation.

Regarding the baptism of Giacomo Graziano (image 1), I agree that normally you would think that the surname is Graziano, but in the case, I am fairly sure that the priest forgot the surname. There isn't an index to this book to check the name, but I have found what appears to be the same information in another book written in Latin, instead of Italian. In this other book the child's name is "Jacobus, Gratianus" and the father surname is given as Giordano. The lack of surname wasn't the point that I was struggling with, but I forgot to point this added piece of information out. Regardless, you answered my question.

Regarding the marriage document (image 3), Francesco Gaglio and Rosaria Vitale are the parents of the bride Giovanna Gaglio. Cesare Gaglio and Providenza Lo Re are the parents of the groom. You have to go back a page to see Cesar's name. I think the marriage document has the birth dates of the groom and then the bride. The bride and groom are cousins (not first cousins), hence the same last name, and the reason that this marriage has additional documentation.

Thanks for the tip on the marriage of Cesare and Providenza. I had found the marriage bann in Balestrate, but I had not located the marriage record yet.

By the way, Cesare Gaglio who is married to Providenza Lo Re is my 1st cousin 6X removed. I descend from his grandfather who is also named Cesare Gaglio.

If you are researching the Gaglio family, I have linked over 60 other Gaglio's to my tree and would be happy to share any info on them if you are interested.

Thanks again,
Bob
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I was a little concerned about the Giacomo Graziano thing since I have Maria Rosa Alfano & Agostino Giordano as the parents of several children who married in Terrasini, including a Giacomo who married Rosalia Monterosso 12/5/1881 in Terrasini. I haven't, as yet, found the marriage for these parents.

I am gathering info on Gaglios that are related to the family we are discussing to further develop Terrasini families. I'd be happy to include the info you have. Thanks

Angelina
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As this thread has wandered from record interpretation, I started other threads on the Gaglio's and the marriage of Agostino Giordano and Rosa Alfano.


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